The events of the hobbit take place between 2941 to 2942 t. Why are there orcs in the movie the hobbit but not in the. Tolkien wrote the hobbit in a large part as a metaphor for britains loss of innocence after wwi where he served as a young man del toro when he was working on the film and peter jackson both knew this was one of the huge themes of the book and are honoring it as such. Not only would this explain why his skin is so pale, but itd be the. In an unexpected journey, he was portrayed by conan stevens, who also played gregor clegane as a. The battle of the five armies using your citadel miniatures. If you noticed the hobbit had goblins but not orcs. An unexpected journey, the orc leader was azog the defiler, a particularly large, treacherous white orc brought to the screen with computer graphics.
Spoilers for both down below do not read if you have not watched or read hobbit and want to. As a devoted tolkien fan and reader i have no personal objections to the change. With this in mind, here are 20 things that make no sense about the hobbit trilogy. A clever, tricksy little hobbit who finds his courage when he needs it most.
The hobbit is a relatively short book written as a prequel to the lord of the rings trilogy. Also notice that in the hobbit the sword orcist is called the goblin cleaver. As she had hoped, the height of the gate allowed her to see more of the battle. Orc is the hobbits form of the name given at that time to these creatures. The hobbit the tolkien edit extended edition warg chase auj mixed with dos beorn chase. This has been a matter of widespread debate and misunderstanding, mostly resulting from the usage in the the hobbit tolkien had changed his mind about it by the lord of the rings but the confusion in the earlier book was made worse by inconsistent backwards modifications. Thorin vs azog first battle the hobbit battle of moria. The lord of the rings appendices do describe the white council meeting several times, and although tolkien did not specify that they met to deliberate during the events of the hobbit. The hobbit was written before the lord of the rings and as such wasnt. I am not a fan of fantasy fiction, and it was warchung the desolation of smaug, when i was looking for something to watch one day, that made me go back and watch the hobbit. He is portrayed by manu bennett in all three films in an expanded role from the original tale, and is one of the primary antagonists of the films. The hobbit or there and back again revised edition.
Tolkeins 1937 classic fantasy novel the hobbit and one of the two main antagonists along with smaug of sir peter jacksons adapted liveaction film trilogy, being the main antagonist of both an unexpected journey and the battle of the five armies, and a supporting antagonist in the desolation of. The tone of the hobbit is not meant to be as dark as the lotr trilogy, just like the book. Thorins background is further elaborated in appendix a of tolkiens 1955. In the book the hobbit azog is little more than just a name. When it was announced that jackson would return to middleearth to helm a prequel. The orc pack hunting thorins company has already been discussed, but this time, we learn that they are headed by none other than azog himself. While it is strictly canon that an orc named azog fought the dwarves at khazaddum and that he killed thorins grandpa, this pale mothercker does not feature in the hobbit. In a flashback sequence, thorin fights the chieftain of the moria orcs, huge. The five most irritating ways peter jacksons the hobbit deviated. If beggars will not wait at the door, but sneak in to try thieving, that is what we do to them. Peter jacksons the lord of the rings films arguably constitute the finest fantasy trilogy ever made. From a tolkien faq they are different names for the same race of creatures.
Thorin is the leader of the company of dwarves who aim to reclaim the lonely mountain from smaug the dragon. Was azog, the white orc leader, in the hobbit book. Dec 14, 2016 the book the hobbit is a fantasyadventure by j. Tolkien, in early drafts of both the hobbit and the lord of the rings, would sometimes use the terms interchangably. He actually died almost 150 years before the book begins. Accessible to newcomers while remaining largely faithful to j. Azog, the white orc by wouter schaap the hobbit, fantasy. Things that make no sense about the hobbit trilogy screenrant. Tolkien in his preface to the hobbit, orc is not an english word. Five things changedexpanded from the book for the hobbit films.
It is up there with the original star wars trilogy in terms of awesome story telling. Azog was a powerful orc chieftain who claimed rulership over the abandoned dwarvish mines of moria during the third age. Dec 18, 2012 just saw the hobbit with my 10 yr old. The lord of the rings appendices do describe the white council meeting several times, and although tolkien did not specify that they met to deliberate during the events of the hobbit, they did gather during that time to launch an assault on dol guldur. If book fans dont seem to remember azog the pale orc from the hobbit, theres a good reason for that. R tolkien that takes place in the fictional world of middle earth, which is the setting of most of the authors works. First major difference is the fact that there is one book and. She stumbled to a halt, breathing harshly, at the entrance leading towards erebor. An unexpected journey does not earn its 168minute running time. Its not my place to speak for peter jackson as i have no direct. Which means that when we get to the final battle between thorin and azog the white orc, the. Azog, also known as azog the defiler, is a background antagonist in j. Tolkien had several subspecies of orcs in the lord of the rings, you get to see three separate races of them in the two towers the book when merry and pippin are prisoners, which was the reason behind a lot of the fighting and lack of discipline.
An unexpected journey covers the first 100 pages of a 270page book. Five things changedexpanded from the book for the hobbit. The book remains popular and is recognized as a classic in childrens literature. Azog is also a very large and extremely powerful orc, as tall if not taller than even the most advanced urukhai, and far more bulky. As he knelt there, he heard orclaughter in the shadows, and the voice said. In the hobbit film series, azog is depicted as 8 feet 5 inches tall, pale white orc with a white warg as his steed. It is absolutely correct to say that thror was killed by by an orc named azog. Its not my place to speak for peter jackson as i have no direct knowledge behind his decisions but it makes sense to me that he would do this.
In tolkien books, orc and goblins are interchangeable due to the authors decision that goblins and their lore are romance based in literature and the creatures in books are not so. In tolkiens works, orcs are a brutish, aggressive, ugly and malevolent race, contrasting with the benevolent elves and serving an evil power, though they share a human sense of morality. He was responsible for the death of king thror and for king thrains madness. The hobbit tells a fantastic story of adventure, danger, friendship, and courage, and serves as a prequel to the even more immersive and epic book series, the lord of the rings. Attributing these things to some dark lord regaining power ties everything into a neat little package that gives the story a little more narrative cohesion. The white council does meet around this time, but to plan an attack on dol guldur. In the hobbit, bolg had succeeded azog after the latters death in the battle of azanulbizar the last battle of the war of the dwarves and orcs in ta 2799 by dain ii ironfoot, and had resettled in the old refuge of mount gundabad after the kingdom of angmar was abandoned. The dwarf prince thorin, grandson of the king under the. Tolkeins 1937 classic fantasy novel the hobbit and one of the two main antagonists along with smaug of sir peter jacksons adapted liveaction film trilogy, being the main antagonist of both an unexpected journey and the battle of the five armies, and a supporting antagonist in the desolation of smaug.
Maybe the white skin of azog in the movie is some nod to disfigured orc gothmog from return of the king, symbolically representing stronger breed of orcs who becomes leaders, just a random thought. There are some differences between the hobbit book and the new film. The hobbit would have made a fine movie a single movie. The hobbit, or there and back again is a childrens fantasy novel by english author j.
The hobbit was the first book tolkien wrotepublished, so goblin is the earliest term he used for the creatures. In fact, the lego set for the end tree sequence features a totally different orc riding the white warg. Azog stabs lurtz with his sword and lurtz pulls the sword into his stomach for. Dec 19, 2012 maybe the white skin of azog in the movie is some nod to disfigured orc gothmog from return of the king, symbolically representing stronger breed of orcs who becomes leaders, just a random thought. The deliberations and activities of the white council are not chronicled in the hobbit. It has a lot more to with the ring and nothing at all to do with charging out of a flaming tree and attacking orcs and wolves. Hell, for all we know, bilbos literary agent kept convincing him to punch up the action so it could compete with hobbit john grisham. I like that peter jackson has done his homework and incorporating stories that get us to the time period of the when the hobbit was taking place. Azog is also, unlike most orcs, shown to only speak in black speech and has sworn. Jan 11, 20 diane asks, referring to the film the hobbit.
Lurtz lotr vs the pale orc azog the defiler the hobbit. Any guidance as to where i could read about the orcs would be much appreciated. Later, it seems he came to see orc as a more generic term, and goblin a specific term for largerinstature creatures there is also evidence that tolkien considered orc to be a. Orcs and goblins are most certainly related, if not even the same creature. Why did tolkien refer to goblins in the hobbit but orcs in the lord of.
This is the same orc that later tries to kill legolas in ravenhill, looking to destroy the tower, upon which legolas stands. How faithful is peter jacksons hobbit to tolkiens book. My friends said there was an orc leader its just that he was not white. The hobbit the tolkien edit extended edition warg chase auj. Azog was an orc of the third age who commanded the tribes of moria from ta 2790 until his death in ta 2799.
Like, maybe there was no giant white orc at all, but bilbo knew the pacing of the real story was off a little and decided to spice things up. Orcs were brought into modern usage by the fantasy writings of j. See more ideas about lord of the rings, the hobbit and lotr. His skin is bonewhite, compared to other orcs whose skin color generally ranges from sickly green to a dark brown or lighter peachy colours. The stench, the gore, the exhaustion, the thrum of adrenaline. Why do orcs in the hobbit look different than in the. It is not a trilogy, and even though lotr is comfortably presented as a trilogy, it was written to be one very long book in three parts. That tells me that tolkien just decided to change the name from goblin to orc. As his ideas developed tolkien started using the term orc to refer to the creatures, i. I thought the film was a little slow at times and wondered if this was because jackson squashed each lotr book to 3 hours. Part of thorins richard arbitage backstory is a fight with a really nasty orc who killed his grandfather. He is the son of thrain ii, grandson of thror, and becomes king of durins folk during their exile from erebor. Bolg was an orc leader of the misty mountains in the late third age, and the son of azog.
Yazneg, the orc who had previously led the pack, apologizes to his master. While its initial setting as a light, quickpaced childrens book may have. Why do orcs in the hobbit look different than in the lord. When people complain about the nearly threehour length of the first installment of the hobbit film trilogy because the source book is. Peter jackson is literally bringing characters to life that had explicitly and unambiguously died before the novel even started. Its the hobbit with the surrounding background notes and lore, and, it seems, some creative license from peter jackson the white orc doesnt make an appearance in the book, and this is a larger break from the original than having arwen feature instead of glorfindel in fellowship of the ring. He is a major antagonist in the desolation of smaug and the secondary antagonist of the battle of the five armies. Now, more than 70 years after tolkien first published those words, the hobbit himself, bilbo baggins, is set to appear in a third movie inspired. Things that make no sense about the hobbit trilogy. Sep 19, 2017 the hobbit the tolkien edit extended edition warg chase auj mixed with dos beorn chase. Today i am going to be comparing the book version vs. Thorins cousin dain killed the orc at the battle of azanulbizar in the year 2799 t. In an unexpected journey, he was portrayed by conan stevens, who also played gregor clegane as a nonspeaking cameo.
Dec 21, 2012 its the hobbit with the surrounding background notes and lore, and, it seems, some creative license from peter jackson the white orc doesnt make an appearance in the book, and this is a larger break from the original than having arwen feature instead of glorfindel in fellowship of the ring. In the hobbit, bolg was the son of azog of moria, succeeding him after his death in the battle of azanulbizar the last battle of the war of the dwarves and orcs in ta 2799 by dain ii ironfoot. Lurtz is a urukhai so hes generally stronger than most orcs and goblins but the pale orc may be an exception. The scenarios contained on the following pages each set the scene for a specific game of the hobbit. Personally i prefer orcs since these creatures are not goblins, not even the. Dec 20, 2012 were there orcs in the hobbit novel i saw the movie and i know for a fact that the white orc was not mentioned at all. Are the hobbit movies just an adaptation of bilbos book. An orc r k is a fictional humanoid creature akin to a goblin. It was published on 21 september 1937 to wide critical acclaim, being nominated for the carnegie medal and awarded a prize from the new york herald tribune for best juvenile fiction. Then nar came up, and found that it was indeed the body of thror, but the head was severed and lay face downwards. Theres not much blood in the hobbit movie, maybe some flashes of dark orc blood, but even when a character is sliced across the belly and should have guts pouring forth, they dont. Yeah, sometimes you have to change stuff from book to film. Mar 02, 20 gothmog w orc battle scenes lotr duration.
The hobbit the tolkien edit extended edition warg chase. Why are there orcs in the movie the hobbit but not in the book. The deliberations and activities of the white council are not chronicled in. In the book, azog manu bennett has been slain by the dwarf dain in the years since. He is a white skinned orc, known as the pale orc or azog the defiler. The five most irritating ways peter jacksons the hobbit. His history gives the orcs more reason to chase down thorin and. Was azog as strong and powerful in the hobbit book as he is in the movies. The hobbit bilbo attempting to follow gollum to the back door and escape the goblin tunnels. May 01, 20 the orc pack hunting thorins company has already been discussed, but this time, we learn that they are headed by none other than azog himself.
When dain questions where is thorin during the battle of the five armies, at the right of the screen can be seen a giant white orc. He became the leader of the goblins of moria and initiated the war of the dwarves and. It occurs in one or two places but is usually translated goblin or hobgoblin for the larger kinds. Bolg was an orc leader of the misty mountains during the late third age, after his father azog was killed at moria. It was not too difficult for the hobbit, except when, in spite of all care, he stubbed his poor toes again, several times, on nasty jagged stones in the floor. The book did not make any special deal of the trolls presence or the evil spiders, and of course, the orc pack led by azog wasnt in the book at all.
The meeting of the white council is mentioned in the appendices of return of the king, but it is never discussed or even alluded to in the hobbit. Bolg is an orc warrior and the son of azog the defiler. Tolkiens novels, the lord of the rings movies married incredible spectacle and stunning visuals with genuine, heartfelt emotion. Just seen the film, read the book when i was younger there was a lot in the film i dont remember reading about i probably skimmed the book as a kid tbh though, did they add some of the history from the other tolkien books to pad the film out. While it is strictly canon that an orc named azog fought the. Azog is played by manu bennett via motioncapture and cg though he was originally intended to be played by conan stevens in a practical costume and makeup.